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The Conundrum of Raiding as a Melee Player in Battle for Azeroth

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Melee in Battle for Azeroth Raiding: Uldir, Battle of Dazar'alor and Crucible of StormsWordupEnhancement Shaman guide writerAbout the Author

This guide is written by Wordup, an Enhancement theorycrafter who works closely with other moderators within the Shaman discord Earthshrine and other melee communities. You can find him on Twitter & Youtube.Specific Problem Points for Melee

As mentioned above, forced downtime caused by mechanics. This includes those that restrict your range and require you to reposition or lose massive downtime by moving out (sometimes out of melee range of your target) such as 불안정한 공명 or 눈사태, or effects that cause extreme displacement that can sometimes be unavoidable, such as 충격파 발구르기;

Significantly higher visual noise around your character. This is a combination of unsuppressed animations such as 얼어붙은 구슬 and that all pets will centre around the rear of a boss. When an encounter such as Cabal has a large number of visual effects that can be mixed up in this (공허의 충돌 and 바다 정수 as examples) makes navigating a limited space all the more difficult;

Lack of access to good Cleave/AoE if targets aren't able to be stacked. This is a point that is limited the heaviest by encounter design, but BfA's mantra so far has heavily dissuaded (or even strictly blocked) stacking targets together, which significantly favours classes that don't strictly require targets to all be in one localised spot, incentivising multi-dotting or long range spread cleave;

Needing to be in a specific location to cover certain utility roles, particularly in relation to interrupts or abilities like 어둠. This has already in both Crucible encounters made ranged interrupts more desirable than melee to the point were long-winded rotations are set up to circumvent the problems of individual cooldown lengths - something that has traditionally been a melee job for that very reason - because melee simply can't efficiently or safely cover them reliably.

buff melee damage!shouldCurrent Content ExamplesUldirUu’natBattle of Dazar’alorThe Restless CabalUldirUu’nat불안정한 공명악취를 풍기는 독기Fetid Devourer망각의 구슬Mythrax타락의 물결G'huunBattle of Dazar’alorThe Restless Cabal엄습하는 의심킴불의 분노바다 너울14th of Maya number of hotfixesextremelyGul'dan굴단의 눈기생충 상처살게라스의 불꽃강화된 지옥의 결속The Place of Melee in a Raid Group

번개 폭발 on Grong to dissuade stacking the boss with add spawns;

로아의 서약 coupled with 로아의 분노 on Conclave to not only make cleave-induced damage increases difficult to gain, but also far less relevant due to the heal;

Extremely spread, high priority target spawns, examples being:
네루비안 공허술사 (Zek'voz),

타락한 혈구 (Fetid Devourer Mythic),

우끼끼찌릿봇 3000 (Grong Mythic),

걸신들린 추적자 (Conclave),

유혹적인 세이렌/강화된 폭풍 (Stormwall),

태초의 환각술사/불멸의 수호자 (Uu'nat Mythic);

맹목적인 결속Uu’nat불멸의 수호자표적 확인Jaina어둠의 목적G'huun죽음의 손아귀태초의 환각술사What Makes Good Melee Encounters/Mechanics?moreStar Auger's대규모 천체 정렬Uu’nat's불안정한 공명are

Mechanics that force, or heavily incentivise players to be in melee range for quick target swaps. This "obscurity" mechanic works well to encourage high movement combined with close range damage tools. Fights that successfully achieve this are 살아있는 폭탄s on Jadefire Masters and 기생충 상처s on Gul'dan;

Mechanics that encourage having stacked - but distinct - camps that are split between melee and ranged, usually designed to fluctuate between each. Two fights that did this well in Legion were Helya with 타락의 보주, and Maiden in Tomb with 정수 파편 on Mythic difficulty;

Encounters that split the raid that have mechanics that are dealt with better by Ranged or Melee depending on the side. The best example of this recently is Opulence, as the Lightning side leans toward ranged space management while melee are significantly more suited to dealing with the Fire side's 형벌의 불꽃 mechanic;

Things that need to be soaked in multiple tiers, allowing for melee to serve as a "last line of defense" around a target to soak when things inevitably sneak through or are spread in specific sections. Previous examples like the weighting of soak pools on Krosus toward the front of the bridge, or the upcoming Eternal Palace encounter Lady Ashvane's 파문의 물결;

Very heavy movement requirements during intense periods in an encounter without extreme positional constraints. This includes things such as the final phases of Argus, Helya (assuming you didn't get an orb), Operator Thogar during Train movement, or Aggramar;

망각의 구슬Mythrax냉기의 심장죽음의 손아귀어둠Is it Really as Bad as People Say?as exampleswow, there’s a Feral Druid in this kill? I wonder what they needed one of those for!they must be aninsane player to be brought over in a vacuum

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HolyShield의 댓글I wonder why all range debuff (area) marked with visual, while lot of melee missing it.
Especially bad when location is covered with spell effect or Demon Form wings.jaq1010의 댓글One of my first frustrating periods of playing this game as a death knight came with the release of level 80 Onyxia. People would make their groups be all ranged DPS because they wanted to get Ony down as fast as possible. Never mind the adds or anything else, people focused on being all ranged to get DPS on Ony while she flew.

Fights in this game have always favored ranged-my raid leader in 2009 was a rogue with the mantra "Blizzard Hates Melee"- and as the fights grow more artificially complex, melee suffers even further. Frankly I'm shocked it took this long for people to notice.worpetiso의 댓글I dont understand all this complaining, you wont have a perfect balance where everything works for all specs and classes.
most of the abilities mentioned also screw ranged dps and their uptime, you cant hit while moving on most classes, you can cast something sometimes but you lose a huge amount of dps specially if using cds.
Just to mention one as an example you cant do anything as a range if avalanche in jaina pops on you besides running and maybe throw a dot. Some melees still have some ranged spells that dont do much but its something like enhancement frost and fire thing wich have some range.CodeineCrazy의 댓글Oh boy, more drama! Yes please!omedon666의 댓글This is one of the oldest problems in a game like WoW that takes its raiding "seriously:" A ranged player is a ultimately a melee player that doesn't have to be in melee. A melee player is a player without options as to where to stand, and raids are constantly demanding movement. When you have options for movement in this praradigm, you are "superior." They have tried to establish melee as the burst damage with less than 100% uptime, but they can only twist that knob so far before it breaks something. It's almost impossible to design a mechanic that "favors melee" when every ranged spec can just... move into melee range.

I honestly have no idea why anyone "serious" about the raiding game would ever put all their chips on maining a rogue. When I am choosing a "main" for an expansion, I always choose a character with a ranged option so I have a spec for grouping. The only tank I'll commit to now is my Kul Tiran druid because I have the option to tank for friends and go ranged for PUGs. I don't know how anyone with any raiding ambition can set their hearts on a melee spec. My hat is off to those who pull it off, but man... that's too much work for me given the options I have as other classes/specs.

Multiply all these issues x1000 when you factor in "on the guild's time" in an aging playerbase and a much more competitive market for said time. The final paragraphs of this article nail that point.Canibehealz의 댓글Well put. Can always count on Wordup to put some words down so eloquently when it comes to design around melee.honorshammer의 댓글One component is anything targeted to the Ranged by default targets the healers and effects their throughput. That directly goes to the damage output the fight can use without becoming mathematically impossible. While they've made strides to make Holy Paladin a melee healer, most still play as Ranged due to some of the issues highlighted in this article.TOMRUS의 댓글Raiding as melee has always been disaster. And Blizzard does almost nothing to fix it except a few random bandaid nerfs to bosses.Canibehealz의 댓글One component is anything targeted to the Ranged by default targets the healers and effects their throughput. That directly goes to the damage output the fight can use without becoming mathematically impossible. While they've made strides to make Holy Paladin a melee healer, most still play as Ranged due to some of the issues highlighted in this article.omedon666의 댓글One component is anything targeted to the Ranged by default targets the healers and effects their throughput. That directly goes to the damage output the fight can use without becoming mathematically impossible. While they've made strides to make Holy Paladin a melee healer, most still play as Ranged due to some of the issues highlighted in this article.nisx의 댓글As a DK player im extremely disappointed from the raids so far. I bring nothing to the raid and my dps goes to the bottom once i have to move. 8.2 doesnt seems to fix any of the class issues.Excelion의 댓글Current meta:

Lock for raiding. (anti-melee)

Double rogue for M+. (anti-ranged)

What needs to change: For starters, we need more active balancing in tiers. The quantity of overall +/-X% damage balancing has really dissipated this expansion. Not seeing those mid-patch changes anymore, nor are trinkets getting balanced. Looking at you, G'huun and Jaina trinkets.

At this point, there isn't much of a debate, the balancing just hasn't happened on the same level as it has in the past. Maybe the focus on Azerite traits has weighed down the team, or they're just not making it apart of their weekly Wednesday development meetings anymore.omedon666의 댓글The truth is: A melee character is an imposition on the healer, in any trinity based or movement based content. Anyone forming a team to go easy on the healer (and thus on the raid) will pick a ranged unless there is a buff or something involved. It's that simple. There is nothing WoW can do about this because they can't just make melee "God DPS because they have to stop sometimes," because that breaks other avenues. Rogues SHOULD be the hardest hitting class in the game, they should be, it's basically their class fantasy... but you can't have any class so far ahead as to invalidate everyone else. Not on purpose anyway. If they are being "numbers fair" to everyone, ranged wins when you factor in the movement of a raid.

You want it hard? This is what happens. Everyone can be "good enough" to enjoy the main thoroughfare of the game, but raiding above LFR and dungeoning above heroic are entirely and contextually optional (with patience for mythic story dungeons to make their way into heroic), and so it's very much "at your own risk" territory, really.FeralSynapse의 댓글Well stated.

As a person who mains a Feral druid and sits out of an encounter over rolling balance or another spec a lot of this hits home. I really only enjoy playing Feral, no matter the encounter (pve/pvp) and understand that isn't ideal in all situations. I'd rather be sat then forced to play a spec or an alt that I loathe at the end of the day. Going Moonkin for a fight is not an option for me because I detest playing ranged with every fiber of my being. I will not do it.I understand my guild may sit me on the 1rst mythic kill (though rarely) but it just means I'm brought in for the 2nd kill. It's not that big of a deal.

At the end of the day I love melee and only want to play melee (outside of the occasional tank moment). I shouldn't be punished for that choice because of an encounter design. Raids shouldn't favor one over the other- a good encounter should be challenging for both and allow ranged/melee to shine in different areas.Trails의 댓글I agree, this is a very serious problem that needs to be addressed as soon as possible starting with the Azshara raid and going forwardSnichy의 댓글Allowing us to hide other players' spell effects would greatly improve the ability and enjoyment of most melee players, in my opinion.omedon666의 댓글Allowing us to hide other players' spell effects would greatly improve the ability and enjoyment of most melee players, in my opinion.Kworb의 댓글Yeah there should be a drawback to ranged moving in melee range, like a damage decrease. This problem will always be there as long as ranged can mimic melee with no downside.omedon666의 댓글Yeah there should be a drawback to ranged moving in melee range, like a damage decrease. Taftvalue의 댓글Melee need the boss to ignore them completely to be a reasonable choice. It's as simple as that. Only then can the melee player thrive.

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